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  Justification

  by Sea Breeze in

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  the..."other sheep...are...not even justified".

  - wt 1938 pg.

  jw's are internationally famous for rejecting the new covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" (mt.

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  Sea Breeze

  @ aqwsed
  
  What do you think of Romans 5: 1, 9 as a simple defense of the Christian faith while talking to a JW?
  
  I think I will use this next cart I run across. I appears to be unrefutable.
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  God and Unicorns

  by Sea Breeze in

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  atheist scientists now agree that "elasmotherium sibiricu" lived with humans.

  all they had to do was read their bible to know that.

  job 39:9 “will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?”.

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  Atheist scientists now agree that "Elasmotherium sibiricu" lived with humans. All they had to do was read their bible to know that.
  
  

  Job 39:9 “Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?”

  Job 39:10 “Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow?

  Psalm 22:21 “But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn:

  Deuteronomy 33:17 “his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth"

  Numbers 23:22 “God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.”
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  How Do You Know You Are In The Wrong Religion?

  by Vanderhoven7 in

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  2. beliefs

  i believe this list which many of us worked on needs to see the light of day again...and added to if possible.. you know you are in the wrong religion:1. when the all important question is not: "do you believe in the lord jesus christ?"....but....

  "do you believe in the "faithful and discreet slave" appointed in brooklyn in 1919?"2.

  when you will be refused baptism if: a. you don't believe jerusalem was destroyed in 607 bc (whereas all non-jw scholars, all encyclopedias and all history books say this event took place in 587 bc.)b.

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  Sea Breeze

  Maybe if You can't leave?

  
  
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  Justification

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the..."other sheep...are...not even justified".

  - wt 1938 pg.

  jw's are internationally famous for rejecting the new covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" (mt.

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  Sea Breeze

  The..."other sheep...are...not even justified". - WT 1938 pg. 104-105
  

  
  

  JW's are internationally famous for rejecting the New Covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" (Mt. 26: 27-28) at their perversion of the Lord's Supper.

  
  

  While JW's have a long drawn out "explanation" of why they do this, two verses in Romans plainly state the consequences for this heretical act of defiance against this free gift of "Justification".

  
  

  No, the WT hasn't used the word "justification" in a long time. They prefer to use the term, "declared righteous". No biggy. The point is that almost all JW's will agree that they are not justified or declared righteous by the blood of Jesus.

  
  

  However Romans 5: 1 states that we have peace with God by being justified (declared righteous) by our faith.

  Furthermore, Romans 5: 9 states : "being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him."

  
  

  Q for JW's - If you are not justified, how are you going to escape the wrath of God?

  
  

  
  
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  What Is Your Favorite Graphic Depicting the WT Experience?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  2. friends

  here's mine: .

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  Sea Breeze

  All excellent!
  
  I cant find that image the Road to Nowhere mentioned. This one is pretty close. And I agree this is hard to beat:
  
  
  
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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

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  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Sea Breeze

  The stories and other assertions found in the Bible are claims, not evidence.

  And, the unfounded assumption that the universe appeared out of nothing (the standard atheist worldview) and that all phenonoma is a product of chance, chaos, and disinterested self-guidance is also not evidence.
  
  That is a fallacious strawman argument. It is not the question here is it Jeffro? We are talking about consistency and logic - correct thinking. The question that thinking people what to know is how atheists come to put so much trust in things like logic in a chance and self-guided universe? It is an inherent inconsistency.

  Like the 'law of gravity', the 'laws of logic' are simply descriptions of the way things are, not prescriptions.

  That doesn't make any sense. Gravity is a description of the way matter attracts other physical things. It is irrelevant to abstract thoughts like laws of logic, laws of morality etc.
  
  If I say a proposition has the opposite truth value of its negation, what aspect of the physical universe am I talking about? Likewise, If I say it is wrong to steal from your neighbor, what part of the physical universe am I describing?

  And, while we are on the subject of relevancy, why would a consistent worldview be important to someone who believes that we are products of Big bang explosions, chemical accidents and copying mistakes?

  In my worldview, I am obligated to try and think correctly because God himself created me with the capacity for correct thinking. Since I don't always think correctly, I need laws of logic to keep me on course. That makes sense.

  But, in your worldview - why should you care about correct thinking at all? Why care about universal morality? And, how can you account for its existence?

  In other words, since blind chance cannot account for such laws, you have to borrow God's laws in order to argue against a biblical worldview.
  
  You are like a man giving a talk about the non-existence of air, while breathing air to make your case.
  
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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Sea Breeze

  Jeffro, have a good evening. You know that my evidence comes from the Holy Bible. I have no problem quoting scripture in a discussion so that my worldview is at least consistent.

  If you ever want to disclose how or why you have such great faith in the laws of logic, without acknowledgement of a lawgiver, I'm always up for the discussion.
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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Sea Breeze

  And you assert a confidence in logic without the slightest clue (at least any that you are willing to share) of why it is reliable. It makes no sense. That is an inconsistent worldview and you deserve better than that.
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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Sea Breeze

  That's why I'm asking for clarification. So, you have an explanation, but you just don't want to share it?
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  I find it interesting that after the cult people still hold on to religion....

  by BeaverEater in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  im not an atheist, makes no mathematical sense, nor does the buy(more) bull(shit) god make any logical sense... maybe a deist on my best day, in the end you cannot get something from nothing, paradox if you ask me... but in reality i just dont care.

  while in, and moving out of the cult, its like a roller coaster, emotionally, yet, for me, over time, i just take it one day at a time, and if appeasing some special deity is required, well i guess i failed.

  lol.

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  Sea Breeze

  The expectation that I should have some alternative explanation at all to compete with your imaginary explanation is a false dichotomy

  So, you admit that you have "no explanation at all"?